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Dear suburbanites: Do not fear black people. Fear your own white children.
December 29th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
White people terrify me.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
And people wonder what Nas means when he says Hip Hop Is Dead. But then again, corporations are selling & marketing to those who can afford it, unfortunately.
December 31st, 2006 at 4:52 pm
I know the type of kids you are talking about. They come in every color, shape and size and all drive me nuts.
I make sure every day that my kids never grow up to be “those kids”
January 6th, 2007 at 11:12 am
No, fuck rich white motherfucker. Though I may have a healthy respect for the power of affluence, as a person who has always been poor I do not fear rich white people. Those people are lazy, apathetic, and uninspired. Fuck them. I will destroy rich white people. Fuck rich people, and fuck the middle-class. Bring the revolution; what do poor people have to lose? Nothing, thus we have no fear. I may be a white dude, but fuck white dudes.
January 6th, 2007 at 11:13 am
And while I’m ranting, America needs:
1.) Socialized heath care
2.) Socialized higher education
3.) Socialized media
January 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
they are so annoying they never shut up.they act like lil white bitches
January 28th, 2007 at 2:12 am
Sit down. Wait. You will want to get up. Don’t. Wait some more. You will want to get up again. Wait. It will pass. Wait a little longer. You will want to get up. Don’t do it. You are just waiting. You’re almost there. There is no “reason” for your waiting. Only “reason” to get up.
Humans, if you cannot stay seated… Fear yourself, not your kids.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
you all are retards…….go read a science book
February 19th, 2007 at 10:39 am
what the fuck is wrong with you people! you’re all racist fuckers! you can’t put everyone into categories like that! jesus Christ i don’t even know where to start so im not going to bother
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 am
the white devil mad it haard for black people so fuck them all
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 am
white people can go to hell and burn. then they will look just like us.
bitches
February 26th, 2007 at 4:47 am
I’m black and I hate every single goddamn nigger on earth including myself. Y’all stupid as fuck.
March 13th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Give the racist shit a rest, people. Every race has fucked with someone at some point in history. You think white people have never been slaves, or victims of genocide? Read a history book and blame the worlds problems on human attitudes. For the record, there are poor white people, too.
March 29th, 2007 at 2:38 am
Lol being white sucks too.
April 6th, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Yeah, being white is very much overrated.
April 18th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Is this real? Damn that 5th amendment, all it does is bring out the idiots! I’ve got a news flash for all the blacks that hate whites and/or America…YOU’RE NOT SLAVES ANY MORE! You’re FREE to go back to your prosperous, peace-loving country. Oh wait, that means you’d have to be poor and guess what else? You’d probably be someones slave over there! The whites are the ones who did away with slavery, it’s our fellow brothers who still have slaves. You need to get over feeling sorry for yourselves and start realizing that you live in the best country there is. While you’re at it, maybe you should think of all the reasons you LOVE white people, that should keep you busy for a while!
April 29th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
White people are born with rcist gene and they will die with the bad gene….They can also pass it on to their children…
THAT’s WHY WHITW PPL ARE ALL RACISTS!!!
May 2nd, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Blame whitey for all your problems
Play that race card…you have your cakeand eat it too
May 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
haha i love white people. and im black. :]
May 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
i love kwantisha because she is white. and i am black.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
i love kwantisha because she is white.
BLACK POWER!!!!! :0
May 16th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
we goin fight fo real.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
i like the color black. BECAUSE I AM!
ya hear!?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
What is wrong with everbody? You guys need to grow up. you can’t put everyone into categories like that. Thats low. Those of you who say your ‘black’ but happen to also insult black aren’t really black. No black person is gonna diss there own race like that. Blacks have done alot for white people. And white have done the same. America would be nothin without black people. Those who hate white people who hate blacks shopuld remember that your race is the ones that brought black on the ships and treated them like shit cause your lazy asses wanted someone else to do the work for you. As for black I got respect for you guys cause you dont see as many racist black people as you do for white. Personally I think most of you are bein to judgmental and think of how you would feel in blacks shoes with all you racist asses out there. Just frickin grow up god. Get a frickin life.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:27 am
all i have to say is that im white and i love black people. :] so all of you grow the fuck up!
May 18th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
way to start a riot! this is so ridiculous, you’ve been watching way too much boondocks and listening to much dead pres. You jackasses really wanna revolution? People really die in them shits. If you want to hate someone hate yourself for being stupid enough to respond to some something like this.
Another thing, MLK didn’t fighting for black peoples rights to see them turn around and act like the fucks that enslaved them. freedom aint free act like you got some sense…
May 21st, 2007 at 8:30 am
i’m just pissed abouy having a little white irish penis
May 25th, 2007 at 12:28 am
[...] Inexplicably, for the past two months or so, people have been stopping by a particular page of my blog and leaving crazy, racist comments. The most recent one is leading me to talk about it, because it’s really insane (I haven’t published it, of course): This a a bunch of BS anyway. The blacks blame the white people that we are against them but if they would really realize that they cause most of the problems in this world. For instance, just look at the jail system today 70% of the people that are in jail is black. Who’s fault is that? Oh let me guess the white people. Everyday we have to hear about some poor N****R that clams that there rights have been violated or that they did not get that promotion at work […] [...]
May 31st, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Are people aggravated because they suck at life and need to blame white people? guess so…you can always tell who are the fools, the same ones who look to blame people for their problems. Grow up! We all know people don’t act the same I think you guys should pick up a book and read about a man named Martin Luther King Jr. The filth of America defines others
June 7th, 2007 at 12:08 am
If it wasn’t for those stupid white kids, who buy that crap. Rap would be dead! Along with most of the ignorant rappers who make the shit up. So you fucks should be thanking the ” Rich white kids” for supporting your; shitty, talentless, monkey jive, you call music! Rap gives music a bad name!!
Long live rock n roll!!!
June 7th, 2007 at 8:07 am
I think everyone on this website should get a life. It doesn’t really matter what race you are. Because most if not all of us are Americans so it really doesn’t matter. Blacks are good at a lot of things yeah. I mean just look at basketball, or football. Those are mostly black players who play the sport. But also there are a lot of good white sports players. You can’t really say one race is better than another. Cause no one really knows. Its just a bunch of stuck up people who think there race is more superior than any other. But that’s just an opinion. And everyone is entitled to there own opinion.
K-won
June 8th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Yeah man I couldn’t agree more. Fear whitey.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
skimmed most of these. i’m not concerned with the original argument or point. i don’t like categories, so i try to treat individuals as such. every group has exceptions. every group has good and bad.
there is a solution to all of this, but humans are too vain and proud to make it work. we have no unity, and that is our failing.
July 5th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
I’m black.
When I look at someone’s skin, it’s just gives me a clue about their culture. That’s it. I don’t think any higher or less of anyone because of their race.
I couldn’t possibly think of any reason why I’d dislike someone because of their race. All racists should just go on a fucking boat to the Arctic and die on melting glaciers with the polar bears.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Black and brown people should feel lucky that they are
in a white run country.The success of a country has a
direct connection with the average IQ of its population.
To prove that you can look at all of the black majority countrys they are all very poor, brown countrys higher IQ poor, white majority countrys rich ,High IQ
Northern asian capitalist countrys rich ,Highest IQ
It is what it is”If the USA does not put a stop to
immigration, we will end up as another third rate poor nation. I am sad for the future of my country.
full of lower IQ people.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 am
HEY ARONE WP! LONG LIVE ROCK N ROLL? Moron, do some research to who actually invented rock n roll, u would be suprised idiot, it aint ELVIS. And this is 4 all the white bitches out there: YOUR RACE IS DYIN TIC TOC ALBINO BUSTARDS
Low IQ? maths, science, medecine, astronomy, writing, SPEECH, architecture ALL HAVE IT’S ROOTS IN AFRICA BABY!
July 30th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Huh, put it which ever way you want but when it gets down to the nitty gritty we are all the same. Think about it what happen when 911 happened. All of a sudden we became united. So what do you think will happen if that situation occurs again. We’ve never had a war in our own back yard. What are you going to do then. Also discovered that all the races came out of Africa. So maybe that’s where God started life and not the middle east like many people think. Cultures are different and everyone has a right to an opinion. If you like yourself, hate yourself, hate blacks, hate whites, hate hispanics then that’s your purogative. All the cursing and heckling will not help you a bit. It may strike a nerve in some people but hey “Water on a ducks back”. If people feel they need to curse to get their frustrations out then have at it. What we should be concerned with is this planet is being pushed to it’s limits. Disease, famine, war, poverty not to mentioned global warming. Live while you can, life is short and it doesn’t help wasting it over being discontent with another race because it will just make your life worse. Everything is basically out of control. If you really want to be happy in life take control of your own life. Because the race you don’t like is not going away any time soon.
August 3rd, 2007 at 6:14 pm
I don’t know it must hurt bein’ white u know , Brown people are supposed to be black but they don’t want it they made their own race and they hate white people,Black People ain’t no need to explain, asian just got minus penis. so every race hate white people , white people made a lot of trouble in this world there’s no catastrophic shit that happened and white people are clean, killed their own race(jewz),enslaved black people, took Brown’s territory and asian. goddamn it poor bein’ white .
are u white? stop reading this.
August 12th, 2007 at 9:07 am
911 my butt, where is the unity after 911? nada
forget it if god or other some almighty power out there doesn’t clean up this mess there will never be any unity amongst humans
September 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
did any of u dumb fucks know that race is just some made up shit…and is just a new idea maybe 500 years old…there is no biologicol proof that race is anything but skin color…if ur white u share damm near the same biloigical code as 90% of ppl in iraq or any were else in the world for that matter…and the same goes for blacks,latinos whoever…flys are way more biolicaly diferent then humans and they look identical so go figure…
September 17th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
got problems with blacks call the kkk got problems with white call the crips,bloods,panthers
got problems with
so you see whose least a fight so get your crap right before you say you hate white people cause blacks messed everything up but im wrong john smith messed up when bring yall slaves here and one thing go out back and pick some cotton
proud white man
September 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
u guys r dumb. u call whites racist? ur the ones makin sites about why to hate white kids! lol i hope u never breed
September 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pm
I used to be black and now I’m white, but I really feel like I should go back to black. Maybe I’ll go Chinese next.
I have been around white people a long time and have realised they’re all racist
September 23rd, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Just give it some time, all should be over soon, we are simply going to disappear. There is no place on Earth left for the White people, there is no place left for us. I won’t say have a good one or wish you all the best, but long after it’s all gone would like to see your faces then. We are on our way out, its ALL yours.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:27 am
Proud white man,
You are so ignorant. Bloods, Crips don’t fight whites- they kill themselves. Black panthers aren’t based on an agenda to find & kill whites, Black Panthers exist to protect Blacks from attacks from Whites (KKK, Aryan Nation, etc).
You cannot compare KKK to the Bloods, Crips, and Black Panthers. KKK has a history of being the initiators of violence against Blacks. They go out and find Blacks to terrorize/murder, they torch Black churches & businesses. Black Panthers don’t go out looking for Whites to terrorize/murder.
October 1st, 2007 at 7:44 am
To chip:
You must not study history, because if you did, you would see that Black people (think Egypt, think Kush) had advanced civilizations long before White people existed on Earth. White people are dominating on earth today because of how wicked they are. They stole (land from the Native Americans), killed (anyone who was not White), and used forced labor (Black Slaves) to get to where they are today. Countless inventions that the white man claim he invented were really invented by his Black Slave because the White man was generally too lazy to work- that’s the whole idea behind having a slave. If I were White, I would not be proud to be “standing on top of the world” right now because of all the heinous/wicked things Whites did to get there. That is why America & England is hated by virtually every other nation on the planet.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
I have NEVER seen so many complete fucking morons in one place!
November 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pm
i think everyone just needs to get alog be happy make fiends
November 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pm
i think white people should go eat a rat!!!!
November 13th, 2007 at 2:41 am
I love rich white blonde bitches because they are sexy.they make my nerves and heart jerk,I long for their hearts in true friendship if they could only give up their ,pre, post, and neo-colonial attitudes. I get alot of goose bumps when I see a bautiful well dressed one that smells pure and original.Just treat me kindly by the inherent grace that the lord bestores in mortal human classic bitch with a souls for kindness.I long for that white Irish, or middle eastern bitch that knows how to treat a man without attitude.cherishes GOD’S Creations.
November 25th, 2007 at 4:24 am
Hate, ignorance, and violence are characteristics of mankind. History is plagued of people that have committed horrible crimes justified by subjective concepts such as race – from Hitler to Idi Amin humanity has shown its worst traits. On the other side of the coin we have also seen great promoters of peace, social development, and economic growth among all races. To all those who have demonstrated how full of hatred and violence they are, just pick up a book and attend to your own ignorance before attempting to value the worth of another human’s life or heritage.
November 28th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
why do the african americans always claim we are racist? doesn’t it prove that since they are always claiming that they are the racist ones? and they bring up the thing about slavery, but that was their ancestors and our ancestors and had nothing to do with us! this is the 21st century, things are different now.
November 30th, 2007 at 12:46 am
People have committed atrocities on both sides. Regardless of race, religion or gender, people are who they are. When you say, “fuck all white people” or something equally offensive, it demonstrates your own ignorance. This ignorance does not help to further your cause or make you look better than a “rich white motherfucker”(DHP). Rather, it represents a poorly educated, unsophisticated hater who has no real goal than to spread hate among people.
WE all have a tendency to overuse our liberties granted by the Bill of Rights, but rarely do we use it for good reasons. The Founding Fathers wanted us to work towards peace and prosperity and to be able to voice our political opinions free of imprisonment or something equally oppressive. Instead, we use it to say words that are better left not said.
A great man once said, “Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man’s sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.” – Martin Luther King Jr.
WE should all take this statement to heart and treasure it. There is enough hate in this world without having to instill more over these insignificant matters about race. Whether you’re Anglo-American or African-American we are all Americans and should share a sense of brotherhood rather than hatred for one another.
DJW, signing off from CA
January 31st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
fuck you willie dont ever talk about black people like that. i will fuck you up racist. bye !
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
ngoladirtyafrica: “Where was the unity after 911?”
Nowhere. 911 was an attack not on america, but on white americans in general. After all, caucasians are what ALL non-americans see when they think “American”. Not our fight. The top dogs got punched in the nose, now they want to fight. If that was an attack on black america, guess how little action would be put forth to help. We’d have to float to the middle east ourselves on Mr. Clean boxes to kick ass…while being attacked by both iraqi and american military.
March 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Why are you talking about races? I mean we’re all homo sapiens sapiens. When we talk elves, dwarves and NEANDERTHAL (Check wikipedia), THEN we’re talking races.
And while I’m at it, you don’t need to fear white kids and the white population at all, ’cause if we were so evil and rude, there wouldn’t be a single african nor asian in Europe/america.
April 7th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
FUCK OBAMA AND THE REST OF YOU NIGGERS, YOU SHOULD BE SLAVES AND TREATED THE WAY YOUR ANCESTERS WERE. WHIPPED, HUNG, BEAT, AND BARTED. SINCE YOUR NOT I GUESS IT SHOULD BE TIME TO STOP CRYING ABUOT THE PAST. NO WHITE MAN ALIVE OWES YOU OR YOUR PEOPLE SHIT. FOR THOSE WHO DONT LIKE IT YOU CAN KISS MY WHITE ASS
May 6th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
i think that what happened in histoy to many races was terible. But i was not personaly responsible for it no one here was. I think the best thin to do would be to move on.
May 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
WHITES MUST DIE!
i love how whites are so ignorant at history yet can be so fucking pompous about why they’re right about anything when you’re not their skin color. these dumb bitches have been below my boots since i was fucking 13. they don’t even know their gov’t is criminal and has been waging practically unending war since it gained independence! looool. fucking animals.
May 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
9/11 was an inside job you fucking idiots. jesus. how stupid can you fucking be? 2 planes knock down 3 buildings? cover ups by the administration. amassing troops days before the attack. loool. what are we? retarded. OH WAIT. it’s not about blacks, it’s ab out the dumb whites who take 40 years to figure out, OH, my own governmnt killed my president.
July 23rd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Hey DHP fuck freedom right? if you want thta bull shit move to europe. this is the land of the free mother fucker
November 7th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Poor blacks blaming poor whites for racism. Poor whites blaming poor blacks for taking their crummy jobs away. Rich white people laughing all the way to the bank while you poor fucks fight over the crumbs.
Go ahead, angry white guy, bitch and moan about affirmative action. Point out the obvious fact that your ancestors weren’t slave owners. Audibly grind your teeth when you see Kanye West or Spike Lee on TV. Vote republican.
Go ahead, angry black man. Re-recite your litany about slavery, segregation, lynchings and institutionalized racism for the 1000th time. Blame some dumb hick in a pickup truck for oppressing you and your race.
When the shit goes down, the pricks who have made both of your lives miserable will be just fine in their gated communities while you tear each other apart.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Truthfully white people are black the are lighter than us bcause us blacks have melonin( may have spelled it wrong, sorry!)whick gives us our color. Thats also why white people melt and burn in the sunbcause there skin is unprotected the darker the skin the more helpfull to block sun rays from fuckin up the skin.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:48 am
you guys want talk about fair. especially you white people. lets talk about how cops are always on the look out for a black person to make a mistake. i’ve seen it all. white kids fuck up, it’s just a mental problem. nothing a few therapy setions can’t fix. black kids fuck up and its like christmas. straight to jail. you want reality m- fuckers, watch youtube. its total bullshit. i especially hate when someone says to black people that its all fair, and that working hard will lead to a good life. bullshit. how can we black people build a house if we ain’t got no fucking tools. because you white mother fuckers deny us the tools we need to succeed.
March 24th, 2009 at 2:04 am
i’d like you white mother fuckers to do a little observation. and really try to sea how easy life is for you. and another thing to add is; i hate it when a white mother fucker tells me that if america is so bad, why don’t we go back to africa. my answer, can i also take all the money and resources you mother fuckers striped from my land. africa is poor because of you white mother fuckers. just consider your selves lucky that you mother fuckers invented guns before us. cause no white guy pound for pound will ever beat a black guy in a fist fight. (without the white guy cheating as they always do). i don’t even have to say anything about girls cuase white girls are all weak. the fatter they are, the weaker they are. one last comment. black people have always (any where in the world) wanted peace and unity amongst everyone. white people think that they are better than everyone. which i just can’t see. we all know asians are smater than yall. and black people are stronger than yall. (watch espn for proof) the only thing you white people have up against the rest of the world are your crazy minds. always willing to do shit that will kill yall. lets talk about fairness. first thing yall white people need to do is keep your mouths shut when yall know that you’re at fault.
August 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
A black man once said, “I’m Rick James bitch” and that may have been the case, but what I’m about to unravel makes the latter completely irrevelant.
To all of you racist morons who have blogged on this website to belittle another race shows your own idiocy and massive enferiority complex. Sure I thought a lot of white people are crazy, wierd, and evil. Well all I have to say about that is when you meet a cool white person, which I would have to say is pretty rare they are amazing. I have only met one white person who fits this description but if there is one there is still hope for racial equality there is still hope to steer away from the condescending conversations and racial ridicule I hope that we can all live in peace. And Just for the record I hate atleast one perso from every race.
October 4th, 2009 at 6:09 am
I don’t know what Black people have to do with the question but it seems there is a lot of black anger on here directly towards White people who do not seem to even be a vocal group on this website. White people made modern technology (coming from a brown man) you will all tolerate and accept this race or be destroyed and thrown out like last years model very simple for you to understand.
Head Size/IQ
East Asian (110) White (106) Black (90)
January 29th, 2010 at 7:01 am
I am a 66 year old white man.I don`t know how or why I took time to read this site, but I`m here now ,so why not. As far as black or whites fighting over hate,who cares? You are killing each other off. Hatefull blacks and hatefull whites! Neither of you will ever accomplish anything. Both ignorrant sides make the rest of the world,feel good ,because ,we, the smart, the peacefull, the workers , the god fearing,the family caring,and most of all , the believers of the 10 commandments,will always know that boths sides of you poor slobs will destroy yourselves.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:48 am
LIFE TO WHITE KIDS!
;-))
April 26th, 2010 at 2:50 am
Hm…I’m in favor of purple people. :) Actually I think it is awesome having all the genetic diversity we have. This planet would be boring if we all looked the same. Mutations can be kind of interesting too. Blue eyes, blond hair, and you know what you can find albinos in all kinds of animals and across all the races of humans. It was kind of cool seeing an albino black person. Oh…oops I’ve gotten a bit side tracked. No race is free of its share of cruelty. However, I wish people wouldn’t sit there ruminating over every past injustice that has been committed by our ancestors. If you are still legitimately being descriminated against based on race, well then that needs to be fought in a civilized manner. What is important is eradicating all the hate of the present. For all those that claim that ALL of one race is racist against some other race, can you please verify that. I’d like you to interview every member of that race and give me the proof. I for one enjoy meeting members of every race and having friends with various cultural backgrounds. They could be Black, Hispanic, East Asian, Indian or Purple and I still wouldn’t hate them on the basis of their race. It’s an individual thing based on personality and character. Now off on another tangent. Let’s hurry up and resolve all this so that we can further our technology enough to colonize other planets. Then we can worry about entirely different problems like planetary take overs and space invasions.
June 27th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
well…um..my family is diversed..phillipines,guyanese,jamaican,n white…idk the white ppl in my family always told me that some of the white ppl out there r the real niggas or nigger..however u ppl say it now and days..but just to remind u guys..that all white ppl arent bad..just like all african americans arent bad…people will be people..some times i sit back and shake my head..animals act more civilized then humans at times..I kno God looks down n just ask his self what was i thinkin when i made these fools..not because you people are stupid..But because you let ignorance rule over everything..white ppl have contributed to this country..and black people have also contributed to it…then u got the racist white people on here putting up statistics..about whos in jail and why..like the jails dont have white people in it…but when the white people are in jail…It seems like it always a sympathy for them..lol mention a black man in jail.”o that nigger..fuck those niggers..black people..theyre not anything..never will be..”o lol this is the one i love”niggers..they werent rulers in egypt..they werent anything..egyptians were white..smh no..”lmao rock n roll comes from black people..by the way…church music turned into blues..turned into rock n roll..the music tells a story..lol truth be told as quiet as it is kept..when rock n roll first came out..the white people said…thats that god damned devils music..god damned monkeys makin shit up..lmao..yeaahhhhhhh man….not even gonna get into what they think of other races..lets just put it like this…some white people do indeed think that their race is the best that ever happened to earth…but hey!this america..let them have it..because what comes up must come down..and it will fall apart eventually.because nothin last forever..Nobody likes the truth because it will either 1)blow the cover off their asses or 2)make things more sensible and less complicated..but to the white people who dont discriminate against african americans..Your strong minded..Because you know at the end of the day they are still people..same goes to black people..Takes alot not to discriminate against some white people because of what happened in the past..But you have to remember white people maybe the same color..But their thoughts and heart..arent the same..some of them are caring just like anybody else..smh damn i really wished this whole race thing would go away..but that will never happen..so you have to just live with it i guess..Or take a stand and go against..put up or shut up.