Comments on: Slavery 2.0: Them, Us, and Me http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/ social capital, trust agents, all that jazz Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:27:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: You Will Not Always Matter « in over your head http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-175697 You Will Not Always Matter « in over your head Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:38:47 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-175697 [...] if everyone knew that I would make very little difference to their bottom line? If I choose not to share, or don’t know how to, I become less significant. There is a real cost to opting out of the [...] [...] if everyone knew that I would make very little difference to their bottom line? If I choose not to share, or don’t know how to, I become less significant. There is a real cost to opting out of the [...]

]]> By: karl http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-39913 karl Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:12:42 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-39913 I had not seen the replies. @ella: Why painful? Choices are part of life. There are roads we decide to take, dirt path, we prefer to walk on. It is a bit the same. I usually prefer to walk in the forest and on the country side more than on the path which has been drawn for me at Disneyland Park to attract me from the wheel to the restaurant and then to the shop. @mark: Nothing to do with an alturistic society. :) It seems that I have written in a way which led you to this conclusion. My main point is to have a bit more conciousness on what is really happenning and more to have a more ethics way of doing commerce. Web 2.0 is really « not about users » it is fully about my wallet, my consumers profile. Why not saying it upfront and then let people decide? Maybe many people would accept to be analyzed against a service. I just do not want services telling me that it is for a better life, that the services are free. Choice with conscience. Just. What. I'm. Saying. @Rob: What is the middle ground? I had not seen the replies.

@ella: Why painful? Choices are part of life. There are roads we decide to take, dirt path, we prefer to walk on. It is a bit the same. I usually prefer to walk in the forest and on the country side more than on the path which has been drawn for me at Disneyland Park to attract me from the wheel to the restaurant and then to the shop.

@mark: Nothing to do with an alturistic society. :) It seems that I have written in a way which led you to this conclusion. My main point is to have a bit more conciousness on what is really happenning and more to have a more ethics way of doing commerce. Web 2.0 is really « not about users » it is fully about my wallet, my consumers profile. Why not saying it upfront and then let people decide? Maybe many people would accept to be analyzed against a service. I just do not want services telling me that it is for a better life, that the services are free. Choice with conscience. Just. What. I’m. Saying.

@Rob: What is the middle ground?

]]> By: mark - tartanpodcast.com http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-14424 mark - tartanpodcast.com Fri, 19 May 2006 15:02:35 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-14424 I say get over it already. Go find an alturistic society to live in and be happy. I say get over it already. Go find an alturistic society to live in and be happy.

]]> By: ella http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-14088 ella Fri, 12 May 2006 18:02:26 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-14088 Well rock on for trying to raise awareness, that's great. I'm just kind of perplexed as to why such consciousness raising is neccessary, as it all seems painfully obvious to me. Well rock on for trying to raise awareness, that’s great. I’m just kind of perplexed as to why such consciousness raising is neccessary, as it all seems painfully obvious to me.

]]> By: Rob McDougall http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-13949 Rob McDougall Tue, 09 May 2006 13:33:18 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-13949 Great article. I have been thinking around this issue for a few years now, and in my day-to-day internet usage, I try and be careful with what I sign up for - what I actually agree to. Although there are days when I'll just go ahead and click "agree" without even looking at the T&C's... I respect Karls decision to remove himself from the whole shebang but I think it's a little drastic - there is a middle ground! Great article. I have been thinking around this issue for a few years now, and in my day-to-day internet usage, I try and be careful with what I sign up for – what I actually agree to. Although there are days when I’ll just go ahead and click “agree” without even looking at the T&C’s… I respect Karls decision to remove himself from the whole shebang but I think it’s a little drastic – there is a middle ground!

]]> By: jpg http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-13948 jpg Tue, 09 May 2006 12:38:48 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-13948 All that rationalisation for leaving Flickr? Please. To compare, in high-minded, wounded terms, the act of signing yourself up to various content-sharing websites to being dragged from your home halfway across the world to spend the rest of your days working in bondage – if you ever made it, that is – is utter tripe. And surely this laser-targeted personal advertising will only have an effect if you choose to buy the product it’s advertising. Hardly coercion, is it? OK, so maybe this is about "raising awareness" of seedy online marketing techniques. But really, if you sign up to all these sites without realising the potential drawbacks of releasing so much personal material, you're a bit behind the times, no? All that rationalisation for leaving Flickr? Please. To compare, in high-minded, wounded terms, the act of signing yourself up to various content-sharing websites to being dragged from your home halfway across the world to spend the rest of your days working in bondage – if you ever made it, that is – is utter tripe. And surely this laser-targeted personal advertising will only have an effect if you choose to buy the product it’s advertising. Hardly coercion, is it?

OK, so maybe this is about “raising awareness” of seedy online marketing techniques. But really, if you sign up to all these sites without realising the potential drawbacks of releasing so much personal material, you’re a bit behind the times, no?

]]> By: Boris Anthony http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-13848 Boris Anthony Sat, 06 May 2006 22:11:49 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-13848 Ella, I don't think it is Karl's intention, and I know it is not mine, to say "do not use these services!" outright. Karl's action and my words are purely to try to help raise people's awareness so that they *can* make an informed decision. What offends Karl the most I think in all this is, as he says, the dishonest marketing and press (which is just advertising too). I still use all these services, and I know very well what is going on. I made my decision, and Karl made his. Ella, I don’t think it is Karl’s intention, and I know it is not mine, to say “do not use these services!” outright. Karl’s action and my words are purely to try to help raise people’s awareness so that they *can* make an informed decision. What offends Karl the most I think in all this is, as he says, the dishonest marketing and press (which is just advertising too).

I still use all these services, and I know very well what is going on. I made my decision, and Karl made his.

]]> By: ella http://inoveryourhead.net/slavery-20-them-us-and-me/#comment-13837 ella Sat, 06 May 2006 20:40:08 +0000 http://inoveryourhead.net/?p=437#comment-13837 I agree with everything he says, but at the same time I don't see why a canny consumer shouldn't be able to take advantage of the system they provide us with to our own ends. As long as you're aware that there are numerous powerful bots taking and collating all this data in order to try and sell it back to us, why not take advantage. It's sort of like customer loyalty cards - you're giving them all that info, but it's not necessarily for free - as long as you keep on taking the discount & cashing in on the points, and only using the card for stuff you don't mind being attached to your personal info, then the consumer is still coming out basically ahead. Especially as they (ideally) use that info to provide us with more stuff we actually want as opposed to all the crap we don't give a shit about. Members of our culture are doomed to spend hours every day staring at ads anyway, I don't really see much harm in making those ads at least marginally more relevant. It comes down to giving them the information you want to give them, as a conscious decision. I agree with everything he says, but at the same time I don’t see why a canny consumer shouldn’t be able to take advantage of the system they provide us with to our own ends. As long as you’re aware that there are numerous powerful bots taking and collating all this data in order to try and sell it back to us, why not take advantage. It’s sort of like customer loyalty cards – you’re giving them all that info, but it’s not necessarily for free – as long as you keep on taking the discount & cashing in on the points, and only using the card for stuff you don’t mind being attached to your personal info, then the consumer is still coming out basically ahead. Especially as they (ideally) use that info to provide us with more stuff we actually want as opposed to all the crap we don’t give a shit about. Members of our culture are doomed to spend hours every day staring at ads anyway, I don’t really see much harm in making those ads at least marginally more relevant. It comes down to giving them the information you want to give them, as a conscious decision.

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